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so true Mr W....where were the parents when all this was going on??

Does anyone know the ages of the girl. They look 17 0r 18 to me. Old enought to serve some jail time.

They proved they have no problem with violence as a way to resolve issues. Lock them up before the kill someone next time.

Lock their parents up with them in the same 5 by 5 cell. Talk about quality time.

I think Randy's face said it all when the camera panned back to her after the clip...pure disgust.
There are a lot of angry kids out there now-a-days...we really need to take a step back and figure out what is going on with our youth.
It seems to make sense that if these kids are becoming so much more out of control, than the justice system needs to change accordingly. It's becoming an epidemic.

how can everything a cgild does be the parents fault?know matter how good of parents a person can be,you can't be with them 24/7,you can teach them right from wrong but what about the people they hang with?

IF they are living in your house and you are the adult and/or the parent...then you are responsible for what they do. IF you do not like it...either change it...or tell them to get out or have them taken somewhere if they wont listen or wont obey.
We have spoiled the kids of today's society. They think they can have whatever they want, do whatever they want and treat others any way they want or feel....and its all good

I know what you mean stlgirl..me too. I grew up with some pretty tough girls and mean too. But these girls have them beat...hands down!

I did not see the tape, but don’t have too. The girls are the new bad boys of today. I have a 16 yr old daughter and the way these kids behave towards ea other is terrible. I am constantly amazed at the meanness that has become typical behavior. The plotting and fighting can be over nothing more than someone called someone else dumb (and the victim can be someone who up to a moment ago was the persons best friend). Don’t know about you, but I can see the similarity of their attitude in the attitude of the schools with their zero tolerance. Under zero tolerance, ALL errors are punished with zero thought to the situation/circumstances. The overall character of the kid is not considered, unless it’s bad and then the punishment can be increased. I think the kids are just responding in kind and using fighting as one form of punishment. These days, anything that bothers even one kid in a group of friends can be the reason for punishment and everything must be punished. The kids have zero tolerance to all things, even something as small as a hurt feeling. They have no concept of how else to deal with it other than applying punishment. The kids need to be taught to use understanding, to visualize different perspectives, look for alternative from punishment, and to be able to accept something’s are not that important or worth a stand. We need to make them understand that not everything is due a punishment, least of all being called a name. They should understand that punishment does not change behavior and is simply revenge. Positive actions change behavior and punishment i

the finish from my prev post -

Positive actions change behavior and punishment is a negative act. They need to understand that a “good punishment” is not determined by doing the worst thing they can think of. We need parents and the schools to help the kids learn this by example. Make them realize its about picking your battles and show them the action they take for whatever issue they have should focus on the outcome rather than the emotional response and need to take revenge.

I found it shocking. The parents did a poor job raising the kids. They did not install in them the ability to make good choices. Even if they did and the kids had psycological issues, they failed by not paying attention to thier behavior and getting them help. I don't think the latter was the issue. Whats the chance of several psycological defectives hanging out and acting as one in a violent way. No, I think they where not raised correctly. How idiotic do you have to be to film yourself commiting a crime? They did themselves in. They should go to jail even if its just juvie. If its just juvie then by law the parents are responsable and are open to jail time themselves. The only open factor left is what the prosecuter will do. They need to throw the book at the kids and parents. If they are that violent then I bet they have recorded issues at school, so the excuses go out the window!

I do NOT agree that the aprents should always be quick to blame. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink......

Same applies with parents and their children. Now, if the parents were home when this was going on then YES!!! I can say the parents are to blame. You cannot be with your children 24/7. You can instill all the morals and values into your child all day long but the second they walk out of your door and they get around "friends" everything you taught them can go out the window.

I will say that fights sometimes happen. This was NOT an isolated incident! The was planned to where I would believe the parents werent home and they all gathered there and cohearsed the girl into coming over. At the age these girls are at they should be held accountable for their actions. That poor girl! It is disgusting that they jumped her like that and that would not allow her to leave the home and keep on beating her like they did. Especially over something that was said on Myspace!!!