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No Profits,No Oil

Source: FoxNews.com

By John R Lott Jr.

Tuesday, June 17, 2008

By John R. Lott, Jr.By John R. Lott, Jr.If a product is in short supply and if you really wanted more to be produced quickly, would you want companies to think that they could earn a lot of money making it?

You would think that the answer is pretty obvious: No profits, no oil. To encourage more production, companies need to think that there are more profits to be made. With all the anger over high oil prices, more production to lower prices would seem to be a high priority.

But outside of most congressional Republicans, particularly those in the Senate who successfully filibustered a new wind-fall profits tax on oil companies, no one wants to admit what profits do.

Unfortunately, both the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates are both attacking oil company profits. Barack Obama promises, "We've got to go after the oil companies and look at their price-gouging. We've got to go after windfall profits." John McCain says, "I am very angry, frankly, at the oil companies. Not only because of the obscene profits they've made, but their failure to invest in alternative energy to help us eliminate our dependence on foreign oil."

Not to be outdone, congressional Democrats are just as upset. New York’s Senator Chuck Schumer claimed: "Oil companies are racking up obscene profits left and right while American families are stretched to the limit by skyrocketing gas prices. It's time for Big Oil to pay its fair share . . . ."

The defense of oil companies has been much to, well, defensive. Some pundits and those in the industry point out that energy companies aren't really making that much money. While the energy companies during the first quarter of this year had an average profit margin of 7,4 percent, the average Dow Jones Industrial Average company earned 8.5 percent. For example, ExxonMobil, which Obama has singled out for particular criticism, made an “obscene” $40 billion in profit, but that is on $404 billion in sales.

Much of the discussion concerning record high profits is misleading as it focuses on the dollar amount of the profits not the profit rate. As sales have also gone up over time, of course total profits have gone up, too. Nor are looking at just a couple of years particularly useful.

Others point out federal, state, and local governments have made more from gasoline taxes than the large U.S. oil companies have earned in total U.S. profits.

But all this assumes that companies should prove that their profits aren’t “too large.” That high profits aren’t good. Do customers want more gas? Higher profits increase production, driving down both prices and profits.

Ironically, at the same time politicians are complaining about corporate greed, they understand the importance of incentives. If Obama didn’t think that companies responded to incentives, why else would he propose that $150 billion be spent by the government on developing alternative energy?

McCain’s anger about the failure of oil companies “to invest in alternative energy” neglects to ask why companies aren’t investing enough in this on their own. Why do we need massive subsidies, as proposed by both Obama and McCain? The answer is simple: those alternative energy sources cost more than the benefits that they produce. If they were profitable, no subsidy would be necessary.

Would you take money from investments that are currently making a 9.7 percent return and putting them into projects that generate a negative return? Presumably not, and neither would Obama nor McCain if his own money was at stake. It would make you poorer, it would make him poorer.

Besides the politicians who are bashing the oil companies and pushing for wind-fall profit taxes understand that more oil would mean lower prices. Senator Schumer insists that "If Saudi Arabia were to increase its production by 1 million barrels per day that translates to a reduction of 20 percent to 25 percent in the world price of crude oil . . . “ Schumer is so angry that he is blocking selling military supplies to Saudi Arabia until they increase production.

Unfortunately, all this oil company bashing means that prices will rise even if wind-fall taxes are never imposed. Just the threat of the taxes will dissuade some oil companies from drilling today.

Despite all the concerns about reducing our dependence on foreign oil producers, the last things many politicians seem to want is more oil production by American oil companies. While forcing firms to apologize for their profits is bad enough, the Democrats push for a wind-fall profits tax seems to prove that they have no desire for more oil production and no desire to do what they can to lower prices.

John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.

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Abunai read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 11:31 AM

Of course this post with all its references, and facts will likely not get much of a debate from the enviromentalist, or the left. Now that profit margins of other industries in the nation have now come out for perspective, and are double if not triple what the oil industry makes. I am glad that FINALLY there is a media forum that will report the OTHER SIDE, and give people like the CEO of Shell Oil a voice when he destroys liberals like Maxine Waters!

The Democrats now are so brazen that they are now open about their vision of Govt. taking over refinery operations. (not actually getting anymore oil however, just refinery of existing supply.)

The fact is Democrats have been trying to point fingers for years, and now with the help of a new media, people can point back and it gets reported!

We are lucky to live in this nation right now, and witness a change in political climate, and practices! We can't even depend on historical information to estimate the future in politics now, because so many other variables have changed! Media monopoly, generations of voters, the face of war itself! If I was an old political dog right now, Id be very scared...

LQQKING read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 12:04 PM

Hey, you want the easiest way to cut oil company profits? Re-Arrange your life, recreation,and workplace so you don't need to drive.Then stop buying their oil. That really ought to do it.

They can't make a dime unless YOU give it to them. YOU are the one that insists on working 25 miles from home. YOU are the one that has to have an Escalade to drive around in.

You are the one that insists on sanitary packageing and other products made from plastic. And on, and on, and on, Then you have the nerve to bitch because they sell you what you want to buy.And when someone else offers to pay them more for their products they take them up on the deal.How Dare THEY?

Think their complaining now.........WINTERS COMING and home heating oil up North is going to cost more than ever before.It's either pay it or die up there in Winter

Meb452m read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:55 PM

Great post LQQKING ! I really like seeing the oil company profit but in a true perspective, profit after total sales. In order to invest money in anything, you have to have a profit margin. No profit, no money to invest. For those that blame oil companies and squeal for a windfall profit tax, I have just one question : If as an individual taxpayer you were brought before a Congressional Inquisition, because after paying your taxes and bills, you were able to pocket 7.4 cents on every earned dollar what would you then say ? Because as a taxpayer, you are going to need to save some of that 7.4% for your retirement as Capitol Hill has squandered your SS retirement investment. As an American, is your future not worth investing in ?

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 21, 2008 | 6:35 PM

Good post to bad it requires “thought” so any opposing view will just ignore it. ...just like they are not adding up the fact that 76% of America wants offshore drilling and Obama is adamantly against offshore drilling (well against the USA doing it!)

Sageman read my blog
Jun 22, 2008 | 8:12 PM

I think what this article really says, is that it's not just the oil industry but industries across the board recording record profits. At the same time the employees see little in reward for their hard work.

After being on both sides of the board I would have to say that executives in general profit off the hard work of those beneath them. These profits never trickle down and that is how "record profits" occur. It's all about exploiting the middle class and lower class workers.

What we need to do is not worry about regulating industry, instead we make employers prove that they are earning their tax breaks. With the trickle down tax breaks broken we need to make these companies prove they are earning their tax breaks especially those earning record profits.

I've been lucky enough to work for companies that gave generous bonuses when they had profits. At the same time I've worked for a company where profits increased by 40% overall and saw the only reward being a "thank you." It made me shake my head as to how companies can do this to their workers.

So no to regulating but a yes to stripping companies earning record profits of their tax breaks when they aren't warranted.

LQQKING read my blog view my photos
Jun 23, 2008 | 9:43 AM

Sageman

I do not agree with a single point in your comment,however you present your views in a logical manner

For that I thank you:

"Record Profits" are a good thing, what they really mean is that more people then ever have decided to buy whatever it is your selling or your executives are performing their jobs well.

Employees see every single thing they agreed to upon being hired. They get their paycheck and their benefit package. They are entitled to nothing more and certainly nothing less.

Of course you know this, as your statement"I've been lucky enough to work for companies that gave generous bonuses when they had profits" shows so clearly. When someone "gives" you something it is a gift not an entitlement.

"I would have to say that executives in general profit off the hard work of those beneath them",Well duh! Of course they do, that is a prime function of their employment. If they worked for me and failed to do so they would pretty soon be out of work along with the ones beneath them.

Profits are not SUPPOSED to "trickle down" They are the private property of the business owner.
These owners can be an individual or stockholders depending on the business type but always the profits are the owners property.

If as an employee you want part of the profits take the risk of working for a percentage of profits instead of a salary and benefits. Just be prepared to pay your percentage back to the company on the weeks it posts a loss. Salary or percentage one or the other you can't have it both ways.

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LQQKING read my blog view my photos
Jun 23, 2008 | 9:43 AM

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Finally "Tax Breaks". This years Tax Break is last years economic incentive, given to businesses to encourage whatever silly assed thing it is that Goverment Wants them to do that year.When the Goverments latest Plan fails
you still have to keep the deal you made with business and upon which they have spent their money.

Thats the point at which Yestrdays Genius Positave Incentives become The Damn it all Negative Tax Breaks of Today.

I would close by saying that if you don't like your job or Company by all means Quit your probably not doing your work at your best and that is after all the same as stealing money.

Freezer read my blog
Jun 24, 2008 | 2:07 PM

Gas prices are so high because the U.S. dollar is being devalue.You have to throw more U.S. dollars at a barrel of oil.By the summer a gallon of gas will be five dollars per gallon.When will the people go ape? That's why George W. Bush is setting up for marshal law.

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