Hittokiri's Hara-Kiri Forum

I'm with you on this, big time.
The complaint of one person, seem to be the trend. Where was this? When was the legislation passed? Details please.
That trend need to stop, this is obsurd!!!

Are you sure this is banned? Nationwide? I'm a little curious as to how such a major ceremonial and honorable tradition could be scrapped so quickly.....and quietly.

The missing part of the story, is that recently many K.I.A. in Iraq are Non-Christians who have served their country honorably and do not wish to have a "Christian" funeral.

Regardless of your opinions on non-Christians, they are serving and dying in Iraq, and their wishes should be honored.

There have been several Pagans, Wiccans, Atheists, Muslims, and other non-Christians who have died in the foolish immoral, and preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq, they should get the type of burial they choose, it's the least we could do (the best is to get them out of there NOW!), but if a Christian wants to be buried the traditional way, they should be allowed to be burried that way.

I can't seem to find any major news sources that have information on it, but a number of smaller sources like college and local news stations have reported on it. I originally saw it a ch. 19. But I haven't a story on their website. Hopefully some larger news will report on this. 19 is also where I got the Jewish thing. So that may not be 100% accurate.

Flag Folding
As an Army and Navy custom, the flag is lowered daily at the last note of retreat. Special care should be taken that no part of the flag touches the ground. The Flag is then carefully folded into the shape of a tri-cornered hat, emblematic of the hats worn by colonial soldiers during the war for Independence. In the folding, the red and white stripes are finally wrapped into the blue, as the light of day vanishes into the darkness of night.


This custom of special folding is reserved for the United States Flag alone.



How to fold the Flag

Step 1


To properly fold the Flag, begin by holding it waist-high with another person so that its surface is parallel to the ground.





Step 2


Fold the lower half of the stripe section lengthwise over the field of stars, holding the bottom and top edges securely.





Step 3


Fold the flag again lengthwise with the blue field on the outside.





Step 4


Make a triangular fold by bringing the striped corner of the folded edge to meet the open (top) edge of the flag.





Step 5


Turn the outer (end) point inward, parallel to the open edge, to form a second triangle.





Step 6


The triangular folding is continued until the entire length of the flag is folded in this manner.




Step 7


When the flag is completely folded, only a triangular blue field of stars should be visible.




Flag Folding Ceremony


The flag folding ceremony described by the Uniformed Services is a dramatic and uplifting way to honor the flag on special days, lik

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The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veteran departing our ranks who gave a portion of life for the defense of our country to attain a peace throughout the world.

The fourth fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in times of war for His divine guidance.

The fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong."

The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The seventh fold is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic.

The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered in to the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on mother's day.

The ninth fold is a tribute to womanhood; for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great have been molded.

The tenth fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since they were first born.

The elevent

Ellac said..
do I have proof that there is. That's why they call it faith. Yes there is proof, its called scriptures......quarryshark.

Wow your right, this is fun! guilty as charged go to jail we don't need proof! we got this letter we found written 3000 yrs ago by some uneducated people that we have no Idea who they are, but we got faith! and in america, that is all we need to put you away forever. cool!

ellak also said....
"The fourth fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in times of war for His divine guidance."

"The eleventh fold, in the eyes of a Hebrew citizen, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon, and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."

"The twelfth fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost."

"The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered in to the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on mother's day." The lord prayer, quoted.

You want to call me out on this? I too spent many years serving our country. You obiously spent at least a portion of life living this way also.

This is a sacred vow that has give many families a certain security after they have lost a loved one in a war. Did you really serve? I have my doubts.

As we all can see, there are twelve folds in accordance with our national ceremonial flag folding not 11. in addition as per this post, claiming 11 folds removing the eleventh step would only leave 10 folds as proclaimed in this post. I called the VA. And Dept of the Navy ceremonial honor guard east 9th street federal bldg regarding this posts claim. I was informed that no such changes have been made and only congress can change such tradition pending the president approval or veto. As of today and yesterday this tradition has not changed and our Dept of the Navy has no information or plans for any changes in the future as of today.

quarryshark

In addition If you notice, the folding of the flag has something for everyone. Only you would be so vein to think that the flag folding ceremony would be designed to be catered just for you. Those eleven steps are for you to choose from. Do you really think the military will have a different ceremony for every belief? WOW!

Also, what branch did you serve in? I’m confused as per your reply. I can’t remember swearing in to service over a ceremonial burial flag? I also can’t remember swearing in to god? I did swear an oath to my country and president of the United States. And anyone who served or recently retired or quit, knows that the military does not require or ask anyone to swear ant kind of oath to God! Now I question your service in the military for not knowing these basic things.

Where are the "rights" for those that are offended by the removal of God! Christmas is no longer allowed to be called that but we are pushed to celebrate Halloween, one of the most evil times of the year there is. As a Christian I am highly offended, Can you hear me, I'm HIGHLY OFFENDED by the celebration of Halloween while I'm supposed to be quiet and not talk to anyone about Christmas! Enough already! It this doesn't prove there is a spiritual war going on then nothing will. Your either going to stand for good or evil. Our soldiers are fighting for our freedom to choose, not to be controlled by the same government that sent them there! Again, I'm offended, but is anybody listening? Maybe more need to speak up!