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by Herschel from You don't know, do you?

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I know this might rub some the wrong way, and the chances that it will change anything is 0.000000000000001%, but I think something needs to be said.

 

Like many I know, including myself- I am the product of a single parent home.  My father was one of those sorry men who rolled out on the mother, and didn't send a nickel in support for 18 years.  We did well without it; would have done well with it- but didn't get it.  I doubt many kids in my class, at least 90% of which were in the same category.  Mom raised the kids; dad was off doing his thing. My dad was so slick; he'd deny being who he was, anytime someone tried to serve him with a subpoena. He'd say he was "his brother" (he was an only child), and therefore, never went to court, and never paid a nickel.  I've never seen him, and only talked to him on the phone once. Back then, child support was what- $50 a week. ($200/month)? Yet, men still shirked that financial responsibility. 

 

Back on task though,

 

Fast forward 38 years later, and I'm proud to say every man I know, whether with the woman or not- is taking care of his children- be it through private arrangement with the mother, or through court order.  While I'm sure there are still sorry, child-support dodging men out there- there are some who handle their business, and could not be torn away from their child's lives, let alone willingly depart from it.

 

In the last three years, three men I know have been NAILED TO THE WALL with child support payments. Another I know, if he hasn't been served or if arrangements haven't been made, will probably get that knock on the door any day now.  My question is, WHY SO MUCH?

 

One guy was hit for $775 for one kid, another was hit for $1,200 for two, and the last one was nailed for $1,200 for his twins.  About 25% of their bring-home pay.

 

Having recently left the formula and diapers phase of parenthood, and knowing what I know about daycare, I know it's not cheap.  In fact, take your child to a daycare such as Crème De-la Crème, and you'll fork over +/- $250 a week in daycare- for infants anyway.  But- to hit a joker (who prior to a court date, could not afford that) with a bill like that is incredible.  Once a child is out of diapers, not drinking Similac, and starts preschool- they don't cost that much to raise. (I've raised another child from 5 - 18, wasn't mine- but I raised him...) so I know a little bit about what I'm talking about.

 

So, can someone tell me why a judge would see fit for a man (or woman) to part ways with 20 - 25% of their net income as a child support payment?  While I'm sure Troy Aikman, Deion Sanders and guys like that may spend hundreds of dollars a month on their children.  However, the average Joe & Jane do not.  This man (or woman) still has to live- so, can someone explain why the custody winning parent needs $600, $700, $1,200 or more in child-support? 

 

Splitting everything 50/50 is understandable, or even percentage wise based on income is to (Say the man makes 80K, woman makes 40K; the man would pay 66.6% of the normal monthly expenditures, while the wife paid 33.3%. That would be fair.  I just do think today's system is fair at all.

 

I think it's just as much "Wife (or husband) Support" as it is child support.  Another girl I know, as soon as the child support payments started coming in, went from a Kia Spectra to a loaded Chevy Tahoe.  Somehow, I doubt Junior is seeing much of that $725 a month she's getting in child support- other than riding in Mom's new Tahoe on the weekends.  What are Tahoe's now a day, $35,000 - $40,000?  Even on a lease, she's paying $525 - $600 a month.

 

Those are just examples.  Thank God, I don't have that problem; but I know anything can happen to anyone.  I know losing 25% of my net would be "lifestyle changing" money for me.  The man still has to find a place to stay, and pay the bills he already has.  Bills they probably made together.

 

I'm sure some of the financial suffrage men endure today, is due to the lack of responsibility in the parenting men of the 60's, 70's, and 80's. The problem is, the screws are being put to the responsible men who step up, today.

 

I'm not saying our kids aren't worth the money.  I'm sure if we all had the $, there's nothing we wouldn't do for our kids.  However, the vast majority of us aren't millionaires, so responsibility needs to be taken with a dose of reason. 

 

Call me crazy, but I think the man gets the short end of the stick, when it comes to child support., 20% - 25%?   Why? I owe you an SUV because you have my child?  That’s not right.  Judges?  What are you thinking about?

 

What do you think Dallas?  How much is enough?  How much is too much?

 

 

On top of everything you have on your plate today- how easy would it be for you to lose 20% - 25% of your bring home pay? Is that reasonable?

 

 

 

 

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cowboyswife58 read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2007 | 3:27 PM

Well the lawyer told me that its law that I have to pay 30 percent of my wages to support.So thats what I was stuck with for one child. Back then 30 percent came out to $265 and has'nt changed since. I beleive the judge has final say though, not sure.Any ways I'm fine with it cause his dads an idiot and I know he uses it for my boy.

Herschel read my blog
Aug 15, 2007 | 10:04 PM

30%?

Ouch!

I heard one guy say he was hit for 25% of gross (not net, gross).

That's insane...

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2007 | 7:19 AM

The system is broke and here is why. In nearly every divorce case the woman is awarded custody. Ergo men carry the burden of support. This is not to say that men should not, but no consideration is given to the men and their "new" family wheras the woman has no problem financially with her new family. Too, little consideration is actually given to what is best for the child(ren) but rather it is SOP for the courts to award custody in well over 97% of divorce cases.

babysister138 read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2007 | 7:37 AM

Great reason for Birth Control!
Condoms and keeping legs together!
When i got divorced yrs ago, My ex paid me a total of $360 a month for 4 kids...I was lucky and had schools close by, a good nursery that worked with single parents. I also had a good job.
If the guys didn't want to pay child support, use CONDOMS!, or restraint!

Herschel read my blog
Aug 16, 2007 | 7:52 AM

Yeah- that's a point, but- it took two to make the baby- right?

I'm not against child support, I'm all for it. But, I think it needs to be reasonable.

As for custody, I don't understand why the mother gets that 90+ percent of the time. Why not joint custody?

I know two guys that won full custody, but their wives were BUCK WILD. Hot & cold running men, alcoholics, adulterous, and in both cases, the woman rolled out- and left the man- and kids... That's what it took for the men to win. But, in most any other case, never mind who's more stable financially- the woman usually wins? Why?

In most homes, when a new man is introduced, the woman's child (especially the son) is 7 times more likely to be seriously injured or killed by his stepfather, than the real father. Stepmothers are far less likely to injure a stepson or daughter.

I know some men don't want to deal with their kids- but, for the ones who do- there should be some sort of fairness.

scottythecomic read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2007 | 8:26 AM

You are absolutely right on ALL accounts Herschel. I lost my kids and she moved out of state yet I was obligated to pay support (which I didn't mind) and yet I couldn't see them. In time the kids saw how wrong the courts decision was. And mind you, I NEVER once said anything negatively against their mother - the kids figured it all out for themselves.

babysister138 read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2007 | 9:28 AM

I see child support and custody going both ways...
I raised my kids(3 sons and 1 daughter)to use birth control and condoms,(because it does take 2) I didn't keep in my head my kids would never have sex.
I love my father to death, but he left us when i was 11 and I seldon saw child support money, was told it seldom came, did it? i don't know. I know my mom, never got welfare, or foodstamps.

ryngwrayth read my blog view my photos
Aug 16, 2007 | 3:22 PM

Men are discriminated against with custody, I do believe that. I also believe that child support payment very much supports the mother more than the child in most cases. What to do about it totally out of my realm.

My plan is simply to never be divorced...it seems like this disease that makes perfectly nice people ugly on the inside.

No Thanks!

MartinR read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2007 | 7:33 AM

Well I found out I had a child from a person I was no longer with and after finding out I put myself on child support so I could see my daughter. And today I do not pay child support anymore.....Yes I was granted full custody of my daughter so that goes to prove there are men who will step up and in some cases be a better parent than the mother.

RedRiver read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2007 | 7:51 AM

I stated on another blog that I believe child support should stop when the woman re-marries. I know too many single moms who spend that money on themselves. Dads do not get to see their kids. There is no reason to penalize a father until the kid is 18. There are moms who have re-married, and are now making very good money, while the dad is just barely living from paycheck to paycheck. That is not right or fair. The laws in Texas need some serious over-hauling. I don't understand why the courts favor women in awarding custody. Any study shows that boys and girls grow up better adjusted when they live with the father. Kids need that fatherly image and influence, as long as he is a good father. Another ridiculous thing is palimony. That is absolutely absurd ! Talk about some stupid law makers.
I do know of an attorney in my hometown who has a powerful reputation in divorce cases. He favors the father, and he knows the judges who favor dads. He is careful to go to court when those judges are presiding. People say that a woman is lucky to leave the court with the clothes she is wearing. Turn around is fair play. Men have been shafted for too long. Good post, Herschel.

Herschel read my blog
Aug 18, 2007 | 12:14 PM

Thanks Red...

cowboyswife58 read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2007 | 10:55 PM

Now, now Red ya can't say that about all women raising their kiddo's. Not all Fathers are equal as not all Mothers are equal.Studies, never trusted these so called "studies" lol.

cowboyswife58 read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2007 | 10:59 PM

I do wish they had some kind of "POOF" gun out now to use on ex's though. Man mine would've gone "POOF" a long time ago LMBO.

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Herschel

Dallas, (75287) by way of Waterproof, LA (71375). 10-year Army vet. 10 years in corporate America. Husband, Father, Son, Christian, Part-Time Comedian.

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