MyFox
 

GotALotToSay's Blog

by GotALotToSay from Hawthorne

Last Post 628 days, 11 hours Ago


As a human resources professional, I have had the opportunity to come face to face with two different types of child support payers....responsible payers and what I call the "under the radar" irresponsible non-payers.  Under the radar means, people who are hired, work for about 6-8 weeks, then voluntarily quit without any explanation and then sure enough here comes the court order to deduct child support within days of them quitting. 

Responsible payers are those who do not get fair treatment from so many sources.  Many people who's wages are garnished for child support payments fall into the mid to low income earnings bracket.  These people are forced to eck a lifestyle out of what is considered to be well below poverty level with the remaining earnings.  I know what you are thinking..."get a better job" or get a second job.  Better jobs are not always an option due to many factors, for example, not qualified, want to keep seniority and benefits.  There no tax breaks either, the dependent cannot be claimed by these responsible taxpayers.  Claiming the maximum exemptions on their W-4 does not give them any breaks in the long run as they will end up owing taxes at the end of the year.  Considering the amount of net pay, there is no money left to pay a $2k-$4k tax bill. 

Then there is the part of the order that requires employers to enroll the dependent/s in the company's group health insurance plan, whether the employee opted to enroll or not.  This means leads to another deduction from the employees paycheck for the premiums. 

If a person fails to comply to the court order, their driver's license is suspended.  Oh my goodness, what a monster just this alone is creating unlicensed drivers, uninsured and unregistered vehicles. 

On top of all of this, these people are expected  to participate in the parenting of the dependents without prejudice.  Unfortunately, many of these people are estranged from the custodial parent, which has lead to the court order in the first place.  I have had so many employees tell me, " I give money to her all the time, I pay for clothes, shoes, food etc", for my kids and now she does this to me.  So the estrangement gap widens, allowing the child/ren to fall right in.  Children do not understand any of this maddness.   

Mandatory child support payments via wage garnishments has created dysfuncitional citizens.  What a monster!!!!  I know many parents who are good citizens, hardworking and devoted to their children, who feel so unfairly treated by the system.  Of course, they are responsible for the consequences of their actions but where is there any fair breaks for these people.  Surely, this treatment is unconstitutional and violates these peoples right to make a decent living and have the ability without prejudice to contribute to the upbringing of their child/dren.   Tell me what is fair about a person having to live below the poverty level because of child support wage garnishments and people who have a brand new car with a car note, renting with a housing subsidy, food stamps, new clothes, shoes, nails and hair done regularly and are collecting welfare and child support payments.  The responsible payers are in many circumstances, forced to live with family or friends because they cannot afford to live on their own.  Then they have to spend time with their child/ren with a smile on their face and act like nothing is wrong - in the best interest of the child. 

We are raising a generation of children who are being taught resentment, hatred and hostility towards the one person they are supposed to trust, love and feel comfortable with.  Our world is full of so much hostility, resentment and hatred, look at the daily headlines.  What is happening to good old fashioned morals and values?

17 Comments |  Add a Comment

Member Comments Total Comments: 17
Page 1 of 1
marv read my blog view my photos
Apr 22, 2007 | 2:57 PM

nicely crafted statement. I trust each of your comments is true. No one ever said having children is not expensive. Let's see the numbers. What are the payments required by divorce agreements or by court decisions? What variances in spending on children would the payer experience if choosing to stay in the marriage? (I have no kids)

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 9:02 AM

What part of your brain believes this. Well here's a third type of dead beat dad. The one's that love their child, hate the mother so refuses to help support the child. Only because the mother left the father and broke his heart. So to punish her her refuses to give her on red cent for child support. So I was forced to go on welfare for help. He had the 15 dollar an hour job, not me. I was unem-ployed. So please explain to me and my son how I'm suposed to get back on my feet without using the aid of the state. Considering the father whom has the income won't help only because "It was your choice to leave, deal with it" I'm on the other side of this coin. I have the child Sun Night thru Friday night. He has him, Fri night, Sat and all Day Sun. He feeds him while he's with his dad. He does help with cloths, school supplies, toys. I was only in the system for a little over a year, outside of medical. Since there are no court orders between us due to lack of funds on my part. The state sued him for reimburstment of the medical that his son used, not my medical only his son's. Yet he contested it at the hearing and requested a trial. Which is his right, no doubt. He had the opportunity to submit his income and insurance. The papers requested he supply his son with insurance. They didn't demand a specific insurance.
I don't get any money from him, Mind you (I can prove this) He makes over 15.00 an hour 40 hour week. I make little over 8.00 an hour. Where do you see this monster in this situation? Because I truely don't see your side. He too claims that he supports his son throug

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 9:07 AM

Cont..
through out the year. But can he prove that he spends as much money and time in the 3 months he has his son, compared to the 9 months that I have the responsibility.

What's he teaching his son? The only monster I see is him. He's taking his hurt and anger for me out on his son. His son is the only one that loose out. Because I do everything I can to make our son happy with what we can afford.

Have you ever had a child look up at you with tears asking you for food? Knowing you have none, you do the best you can!!

I'm the one renting two rooms from my mother, he's got his own place and has since moved his girlfriend in. But because there's nothing forcing him to help support his son, he doesn't.

If I seems upset it's because you didnt' take the time to completely research your facts. I admit there are people (men and woman) that take advantage of the situation and I'm not saying it's 100% fool proof. My ex has lost his license due to back child support from his first wife. I guess she made him mad also when she left. I know for fact while we were married he had multiple opportunities to amend his child support order to reflect his current financial situation. He choose not to, and then cried unfairness when they opt to garnish his wages. They only garnish his wages when 1) he choose it, 2) defaults on previous orders of scheduled payments 3) habitual refusal of paying or 4) Ignores the opportunity to amend his support order. There are other circumstances that also come into play, but it's not as black and white as you would like it to be.

P.S. As fa

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 9:11 AM

Cont..

P.S. As far as the license suspending part of your argument. There are also provisions for restricted driving. They can file with the courts requesting the ability to drive to and from work.

P.S.S. My experience has shown me that most of your lazy fathers are the ones that are crying about the support laws. My own father had to pay child support for many many years on 4 kids. Not once did the state have to come in and force him to help support his own children.

The state laws inforcing child support isn't the monster here. The monster here is just the fact that the state HAS been FORCED to step in because more and more men are NOT stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility for their own actions. So don't sit there and blame the state, or the mother because he choose to have a child and now he doesn't want to help support the child. Because it didn't work out with the mother.

I'm the one taking it in the wrong place, while he get's to place disneyland dad every weekend. I'm one of those mothers that didn't manipulate the system, and now I see where it got me...

memoryjoe read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 12:46 PM

hi wrks4me
well that is my ex the third type dead beat dad , i went almost thirteen years without child support all because i refuse to get an abortion and kill the baby he helped make , he was 43 and i was 21 when i met i thought was the love of my life YA RIGHT ! wene i found out i was pregnant he said i ruined a good thing between me and him , i was crushed , so now 17 years later he still will not have nothing to do with her because he is mad at me , for what ? all because i wanted to keep her and loved him , he hurt me more than anyone could have , he pays child support now but not by his own will it is detached from his pay , and now he is even more angry because he owes me back support too , what am i suppose to do GOTALOTTOSAY say its OK i can raise her and support her on my own , he even refused visatation , we ran into him at walmart and he won't say nothing to her it kills me so much , but according to him IM THE BAD GUY ......:)

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 12:58 PM

Hi Debbie,

Yea I'm going through it again with my ex. We had a fight over the phone and he threatened me again with picking up Daniel from school, and I'll never see him again. Anyway, since he couldn't get through to me he started posting comments on my blog. He started with the "ex-" blog than moved onto the "should I tell her.." blog. I don't want Daniel to grow up without a father, I just want Jim to help financially and leave me alone. I'm very happy with the gentleman that I'm seeing. I've been seeing for almost 3yrs. I don't want Jim back, I just wish he would grow up and let me be. His lies are what started the fight this time. But we all know that I'm the root of all his problems. So obviously it's all my fault.

FREEDOMFREE read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 2:04 PM

WHEN YOU ARE FREE , YOU ARE PAID , YOUR MONEY IS NOT NEEDED .

YOU NEED NEW FREEDOM FREE ,

YA SEE OPPRESSION IS FREE ,

SLAVERY A FEE , AND CONTROLED FOR FREE ,

FREEDOM NOT FREE ,

RIGHTS NOT FREE , VOTING A FEE ,

BONDAGE DEGREE , FIGHTING FOR FREE ,

DYING NOT ME , VOTE AND SEE ,

THE NEW DEGREE , JUST FOR FREE ,

POWER IN ME , POWER TO FREE ,

ALL THAT SEE , FREEDOM ,

THE RIGHT TO BE FREE , NOW YOU SEE ,

ANOTHER DEGREE , THIS ONES FREE ,

FROM FREEDOMFREE ,

VOTE AND SEE , NEW FREEDOM FREE .

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 2:09 PM

Problem with that is, freedom doesn't fill a childs stomach.

memoryjoe read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 9:21 PM

OMG wrks4me my ex name is jim too ..lol lol to funny mine is very unreasonable , its his way or no way , so how have you been ? whats your e-mail ? :)

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 23, 2007 | 10:59 PM

Here is my public email address:
mk_money_wrk@yahoo.com

Send me an email and I'll send my personal address. I take it you read his comments. To funny that both our ex's have the same name.

I have a question though for Got A Lot To Say.

Cat got your tounge? For someone who has a lot to say, you sure aren't saying much about this. What's up? I'm always up for a good debate, specially when it's on the hard knocks of life.

Debbie, if you get a second drop me a line.

FREEDOMFREE read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2007 | 3:20 AM

WANT TO SEE , CHILDEREN FREE ,

VOTE FOR ME ,

FREEDOMFREE ,

FREE YOU FREE ,

SO KIDS CAN SEE , WE ARE FREE ,

NOT CHARGED A FEE , HUNGRY SEE,

YOU NEED FREE , HUNGRY AND FREE ,

THE DEGREE IS NOT FREE ,

OLD FREEDOM SEE , NEW FREEDOM FREE .

Desert_Chicano read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2007 | 11:07 PM

This is funny that I came across this thread.

Just yesterday, my bank account was cleaned out by order of the child support services. Why? I've been keeping up with my payments. They even took my entire tax return.

Now this is only for one child, whom may I add that I see her MORE than 50% of the time. I have three living here at home with me.

After ranting to the lady in charge of my case about what had happened, she said that my money should NOT have been touched from the bank and that my payments have been up to date. Now, when I asked the question "will the child support be returning my money?" she replied "no!"...[...]!

Well I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone on this issue. I agree with you "Responsible payers are those who do not get fair treatment from so many sources." They make are lives harder.

Will_Bam_Bino view my photos
Apr 25, 2007 | 10:55 AM

Well I am man in the system as well. I am on the side of responsible payers but my case is way worst that what I have read here. I am battling a case that I will never win. I was married and had a daughter that I love so much and we were a pair. But it was my job(military) that brought out a divorce and more problems. After my daughter, two year later came my son, which became a question in our marriage. After all the legal battles and a war, I was hit with child support papers while at war. I had rears before I started paying. That was odd to me, so I hired a lawyer over three thousand dollars to reduce my dues as well as my rears while I was at war. What does he do, get my dues increased from $825 to $1175 and rears was $10,000. We all know there is interest too for which I asked for the "Sailor, Soldier Act of 1975" and I was told that it does not apply. So I got out of the military and I now work for the railroad and I am still paying for two kids, which I only have one because the son I thought was mines, is not and because of California's State Law, the child was conceived during the marriage. So that leaves me paying for someone 's child. To make matters worst, I live in Carson, CA, I have to drive to San Diego for court hearings and filings, and I have to file a motion to have the case moved to Los Angeles, and, like I said the worst case, I have a problem with two states talking, South Carolina who actually has the case and California enforcing it. South Carolina keeps taking my taxes, while California takes my state. But when the rears from California shows high a

No_Pity_From_Me
Apr 28, 2007 | 3:18 PM

Obviously Got A Lot To Say has never been in the single parents situation. God forbid the "responsible payer" fall in the low income guideline...

Have you ever thought about the situation the other parent is in? Do you care about what income guideline they fall under? I can guarantee you that not even half are in a better guideline. Oh no but lets not think about them. Lets not see that most of the time the other parent that has the child or children has more expenses than the other parent. Yes some of us may have a car note, perhaps because we have the children, so we do need a reliable vehicle to get the children to school and us parents get to work. Because without us working, theres no way we can live off the measly child support we get.

Now lets not forget that usually when there is an order for garnishment, its because the "responsible payer" has not kept payment arrangements, therefore it must be taken from his pay directly.. So if this was the case, I dont think they fall under the category "responsible".

Last but not least, we didnt make these children by ourselves, why should we bust our rears to make sure our kids have everything, while the other parent just sits back and pays the measly amount of child support?

Now you say "Then they have to spend time with their child/ren with a smile on their face and act like nothing is wrong - in the best interest of the child."

Sweety this is what the custodial parents do all the time... Smile and act like nothing is wrong... all in best interest of the child...

And yes I am speaking from experience, I am

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Apr 30, 2007 | 11:06 AM

Amen, No_Pity_for_me!!!!

Give it up to us, the single parents maintaining the best existence possible for the children we actually love. Whether it be the father or the mother, because that's what we do. Inspite of the fact that our Ex's not only refuse to help, but will actually fight you in court to not have to help.

We do it because we love our kids, not just because we have to. I don't recall the school cafeteria ever having to garnish my wages to feed my son. Oh why you ask? Because I knew my son would be hungry right around noon, he was funny that way. So I just gave him money to buy his lunch. Now once in awhile I would forget to give him some money, and the cafeteria would feed him then send me a little note asking me to pay it next time. You know what for some reason I would just go ahead and send the extra money with him the next day to give to the cafeteria. Nope I've actually thought about this, and no I've never had to have them garnish my wages because I didn't pay them back FOR SOMETHING THEY HAD ALREADY PAID FOR.

I believe society calls that being a responsible parent. I could be wrong, SO Gotalottosay am I wrong?

Seems to you "Don'tGotALotToSay" anymore.

chucky1969
Apr 30, 2007 | 11:56 PM

Thank you! I thought I was the only one in the Child Support system that was experencing this unfairness. I work hard to pay my child support while the other party is to busy getting her nails done and driving a new car with a different man on the passenger seat everytime I see her and still collecting welfare. This is suppose to be one of the best countries in the world that preaches "liberty and justice for all". Yeah right! I know that with so many dead beat parents it's hard to control. But a least let us have a tax break!

nosy4 read my blog view my photos
Aug 8, 2007 | 6:20 AM

THIS IS A HOT TOPIC, I have been a single parent most of my life my X was 32yrs.old when we met,when iout grew him he stoled my children i didnt know where they were for many years,when i got aletter for child support oh i for got Iwas15yrs.old THAT OLD FKER HAD THE NERVE TO ASK ME FOR HELP.My kids were almost grown last time I saw them they were 1 3 4, next time I heard from them they were 15 16 18 what kind of NUT WAS HE, we wrer common law together, not legal.THE POLICE DIDNT HELP ME FIND MY KIDS EITHER BECAUSE OF THE COMMON LAWMARRAGE. THIS STILL PISSES ME OFF.

Page 1 of 1


Write your comment below:




GotALotToSay

I am a professional business partner with a background in business administration with emphasis in accounting. I was born in New Zealand and have lived in the US for the past 26 years.

Member Since: 4/22/2007