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Wednesday, July 23, 2008 This is a piece that I was sent and it is an indepth look at the agenda of the far left towards Global Warming. It's a good read if you respect the truth over politics. Don
This is extremely interesting and enlightening. PLEASE
> READ!
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> David Evans | July 18, 2008
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> I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models
> for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket
> scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM)
> that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto
> Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.
> FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils
> and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate
> data, plant
> physiology and satellite data. I've been following the
> global warming debate closely for years.
> When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon
> emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is
> a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.
> The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were
> certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon
> government and the scientific community were working
> together and lots of science research jobs were created.
> We scientists had political support, the ear of government,
> big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well,
> I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the
> planet. But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened
> the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global
> warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive
> that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main
> cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously
> said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do
> you do, sir?" There has not been a public debate
> about the causes of global warming
> and most of the public and our decision makers are not
> aware of the most basic salient facts:
> 1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been
> looking and
> measuring for years, and cannot find it. Each possible
> cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in
> the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The
> signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot
> about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have
> been measuring the atmosphere for decades using
> radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio
> back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the
> atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever. If there is
> no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the
> cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon
> emissions are not a significant cause of the global
> warming. If we had found thegreenhouse signature then I
> would be an alarmist again. When the signature was found
> to be missing in 2007 (after the latest
> IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of
> the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe
> the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet
> hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so
> statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot
> spot.
> Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the
> radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde
> wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run
> the results through their computers to estimate the
> temperatures. They then say that the results show that we
> cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe
> that you'd believe anything.
>
> 2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon
> emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is
> plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and
> theory suggests that carbon emissions
> should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly
> disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that
> implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the
> recent global warming.
>
> 3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature
> all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the
> temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the
> temperature of 1980). Land-based
> temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat
> island" effect: urban areas encroaching on
> thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the
> thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars,
> houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can
> trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only
> land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and
> recent cooling. The other three global temperature records
> use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or
> satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and
> a recent cooling.
>
> 4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global
> warmings over the past half a million years, the
> temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the
> accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says
> something important about which was cause and which was
> effect. None of these points are controversial. The
> alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would
> dispute their relevance.
> The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al
> Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as
> the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause
> global warming. In any other
> political context our cynical and experienced press corps
> would surely have called this dishonest and widely
> questioned the politician's assertion.
>
> Until now the global warming debate has merely been an
> academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we
> should debate the causes of global warming. So far that
> debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show
> evidence of global warming, and while the audience is
> stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due
> to carbon emissions. In the minds of the audience, the
> evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated
> with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed
> that the cause was merely asserted, not proved. If there
> really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global
> warming, don't you think we would have heard all about
> it ad nauseam by now?
> The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since
> 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon
> emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of
> observations made by someone at some time that supports the
> idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer
> models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they
> are just theory. What is going to happen over the next
> decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The
> Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy
> in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later
> turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to
> re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes
> to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in
> 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally
> negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen throu
> gh it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of
> their actions, they will be seen likewise. The onus should
> be on those who want to change things to provide evidence
> for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is
> eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so
> it might as well be told before wrecking the economy.
>
> Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian
> Greenhouse Office
> from 1999 to 2005.
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Freezer read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 11:21 AM

Gore wants to bring in a carbon tax to tax every human being on the planet.

voodoodog read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 1:10 PM

Funny thing is that Al Gore's "carbon footprint" is ten times that of the average citizen. He flies around in a jumbo jet extolling the virtues of "living green", and has a home, for just him and Tipper that uses multiple times the energy of the common household. He wants us all to do as he says, not as he does. Thank the good Lord he never made it to the Presidency.

mystere read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 2:28 PM

Gore is as least as bad as that peanut head Jimmy Carter: Al wants the public limelight on him at all times, no matter what the cost. He's as bright as a donkey...a spineless animal that has no instinct of defense, and a stubborn animal that refuses to learn.

TexasTruBlu read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 2:59 PM

Being "green" has become more of a marketing tool than anything else. If you want some other views, look up Kerplunk. It's a blog from Australia and they have similar skepticism toward the new religion of Global Warming.

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 4:56 PM

Lets see we got you guys out here saying how much global warming does not exist and is not a problem. Meanwhile the rest of the world, the Democrats, the Republicans most of the scientific community and the majority of the American people think global warming is a problem. I wonder who is going to win this debate.

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 5:54 PM

What really irks me, is that Gorp won a Nobel prize for spewing forth his unsubstantiated nonsense. He also has the audacity to call those who disagree with him "deniers", "dissenters" and members of the "fringe element". Who the hell does he think he is?

I'll tell you what I think he is....A lying, hypocritical phony!

Debate? How can your have debate when the warmers constantly avoid it like the plague? The planet hasn't warmed in ten years, and, according to the IPCC (a bastion of global warming propaganda), won't warm for another ten. Due to mother nature! Perhaps that is why more and more scientist are bailing out on the "global warming" hypothesis.

Perhaps one day we'll see equal time given to both sides of the debate in the media.

Good site here.....http://icecap.us/

Before anyone claims that this is a right wing think tank, or, is funded by the oil companies, take a look at the experts tab.

donaldtrump read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 6:14 PM

Why do so many people get their panties in a bunch about taking care of our home ( planet earth )? It sounds SO ignorant. " I'm mad at Al Gore because he wants to make the planet a better place to live", meanwhile, we [...] all over it. What's it gonna be people? When you nit pick one scientist out of HUNDREDS, it's just so pointless.

By the way, If you take into account all those who have done something positive for the planet because of Al Gore, his carbon footprint is WAY smaller than yours. It's much more american to throw trash out the window, or pour oil down the drain. Maybe your kids like playing with hypodermic needles at the beach. DUMB.

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 6:29 PM

I'm all for taking care of the planet. I just don't think we need to go to extremes because of an unsubstantiated Hypothesis to do it.

Al Gore is in it for the money.

BTW, the "ten year window" speech he gave last week, been done before....Back in 1989!.....

GREENHOUSE WARMING NATIONS MAY VANISH, U.N. SAYS

Source: From Herald Wire Services Southern Cross Astronomical
Society
A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the United Nations U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the [problem].

Published on July 5, 1989, Page 2E, Miami Herald, The (FL)

donaldtrump read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 7:15 PM

Frankly, I can care less about Al Gore or any politicized environmentalist B.S. I drive through L. A. everyday, have been to Tiajuana many times and have heard and seen many reports from third world countries. we are trashing our planet and it is totally and completely unnecessary. What is so UN-American about erring on the side of caution?

donaldtrump read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 7:23 PM

I googled "Herald Wire Services Southern Cross Astronomical Society", the first 6 items seem a little biased.
How about you recycle some god damn bottles instead of worrying about what Al Gore said.

craftyguy read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 7:39 PM

AL Gores house used more trees to make then any other in the United States..did anyone tell him that our earth temperature is controlled by the moon and the moon is moving away from the earth ever so slightly there by causing it to warm..

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 8:01 PM

Erring on the side of caution?

People starving in Africa (because of environmentalist) is erring on the side of caution?

Being forced to use mercury laden CFL light bulbs is erring on the side of caution?

Trying to tax the very air we breathe is erring on the side of caution?...

Paying way to much for energy/fuel because of over done "green" restrictions is erring on the side of caution?

The list goes on.

"I googled "Herald Wire Services Southern Cross Astronomical Society", the first 6 items seem a little biased"....
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Ok, now, PROVE IT WRONG!!

Who the hell do you think you are to tell me to recycle bottles? or, what to worry about. Do you think you're AL GORE! Oh, the irony!

How do you know if I recycle or not? I do, Mr assumption.

I get it, The A-typical liberal assumption, I don't believe in man made global warming, so that means I want to trash the planet!

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 8:27 PM

Good point we did have a ten year window to not feel the effects of global warming now we have been feeling them and they will just keep getting worse. Can we still slow it down and reduce its effects yes. Also its illogical for you to think that just because you disagree with Al Gore politically he is wrong about this or is just trying to earn money. I disagree with Newt Gingrich politically but I would never say he sold out because of that. He truly believes his ideas are right. Another thing Al Gore is just a spokesman for many, many scientists he is not the one who came up with global warming just someone who listened to a number of scientists and believed them.

Happyg read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:28 PM

Actually Demboy, if you had comprehended what was written, you would know that while nobody questions whether or not the earth is in flux, what the root cause is, is the question.
As for your many, many scientists BS, while most agree that global warming exists, there is far from a concensus on what's causing it. And repeating it over and over won't change that fact.


Demboy08
Lets see we got you guys out here saying how much global warming does not exist and is not a problem

craftyguy read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:44 PM

my carbon footprint is a size 9 same as my carbon penis

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:46 PM

Oh that's the new line my mistake it used to be it does not exist. Sorry I am so used to one way of deciding to do nothing. While lets see now the Republican and Democratic leaders in congress and presidential candidates all think global warming is a problem we can solve they disagree how to do it but they agree it is a human solvable problem.

Demboy08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:47 PM

I would have to say your views are in the extreme minority.

craftyguy read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:56 PM

oh and did i mention my carbon tongue??or my carbon fingers ..all in all its great when your carbon dating...

Happyg read my blog
Jul 24, 2008 | 4:29 AM

Craftguy,
Do they measure carbon in mm too? LOL

craftyguy
my carbon footprint is a size 9 same as my carbon penis

ibejim read my blog view my photos
Jul 24, 2008 | 6:34 AM

Demboy,

I'm going to ask you the same question I've asked many warmers before...Show me some evidence that links man's carbon output to climate change? No one has been able to provide such proof yet. The fact is that the climate changes all the time, solar activity plays a huge part in our climate fluxuations. Solar cycles are the main driver in our planets climate, other phenomenon like la nina' and el nino' are the vehicles that the sun drives. If you can't control the sun, you will never stop climate change. When the climate stops changing, then, perhaps, we will have something to worry about.

Again, I ask you, why do we never see public debate on this issue?

Why is the media coverage so biased? When was the last time you saw a show or a news report presenting the other side of this issue?

Many of these warmers paint their doomsday of of data provided by climate models. climate models, like weather models such as the GFS or NAM, are far from perfect, they, like the humans that assemble them, are faulty.

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I am married 66 years old and a businessman in Northern Nevada. My political views come from the experience of my 66 years and 40 of them in business for myself. I believe in a commonsense approach to government rather than a reactionary one. I believe in welfare for the person trying to re-establish rather than the present form where it is impossible to get off the roles once on. Man should be rewarded for his actions not his inaction. Please visit my blog at www.donlindberg,blogspot.
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